On
this page, I wanted to let him speak.
I know the danger to remove a quotation of its context,
but if I selected with other fans exactly these
passages it is that they marked me, because they
seemed to raise a veil on his life,:the way he sees
his profession in which fold of his childhood or
of his personality he draws to animate his characters.
"I
know I'm not normal. I think as a kid I must have
had some kind of attention-deficit disorder. Sometimes
people are afraid of me, and I think, What? How
can they be afraid of me?"
- But you know what's on the inside,
I say. A devilish smile. "Yes.
And they don't."
"When
I was very young, I lived in a certain dream world.
I was a very shy and withdrawn child. I had a difficult
time adjusting to school and all that kind of stuff.
The one power I had was the ability to create a
different world."
"It's
something in my eyes, a tension that I carry around.
I can be sitting on a set, thinking about a ham
sandwich, and people will think I'm immersed in
deep thought. But I'm really not, I'm just thinking
about a ham sandwich."
I
think I have an obsessive quality to my personality.
What makes things scary is you can't argue with
obsession. If you have an obsessive personality,
there is not a whole lot I can do about it. If I
let it get the best of me, than it REALLY can be
scary. We all have an edge. We all are floating
our psyche on top with a great ocean underneath.
It is important to understand this so you can deal
with it
My
father died when I was 3, but apparently he was
very into the "Macabre". There were lots
of scary pictures and stuff that was around. That
may of been an influence. I was very, very into
Halloween. I loved Edgar Allan Poe when I was a
kid. I knew all his stories. Science Fiction not
so much, but horror yes. I liked the scary, the
unknown! And didn't you have the big house down
the block that was abandoned, where the axe murder
took place when you were a kid? There were a couple
on my block( he laughs at this). So, I grew up with
that. I guess the 50's were just a more innnocentand
different era. And all of that was much more implied
and wonderful then it is now. Now it is so explicite,
it has gotten to be a joke on itself. I mean you
can't scare anybody anymore. All of horror is laughing
at itself, which I guess is kind of fun.
.
It somehow has a value, it makes it clear -
for instance, playing Wormtongue, it makes it clear
how tragic it is when people give in to fear. Instead
of confronting something I am afraid I just give
in to it, I'm pathetic.
For
example, I'm a character actor. I'm never safe.
I don't know where my next job is going to come
from, I don't know where my next money is going
to come from. I could walk around the house feeling
terrified about, "I'll never work again,"
and I've done that. Or I could have a little faith
that in time all of this is going to come around
and I just do what I need to do and go about my
business with a little bit of faith and some courage.
And then teach that to the children that live with
me. Those are the choices we all have.
Being
Oscar-nomimated for Cuckoo's Nest threw Dourif into
a tailspin. "It scared the shit out of me,"
he grimaces. "All that happened too soon for
me, I think. Psychologically, I wasn't prepared
for it. I was too young." He did attend the
ceremony (he lost to George Burns), as he did the
one held in honor of the British Academy wards.
Even so, when he walked up on stage to accept the
latter, he declined to give an acceptance speech.
As
Dourif remembers it, the hoopla generated by his
Oscar nod made him want to burrow deeper into himself.
"I stayed in upstate New York and hid. I felt
like it [the nomination] was a big mistake, that
it wasn't me. Sooner or later I felt that everybody
was going to find out that I wasn't deserving of
it, that I couldn't act, and the bottom was going
to fall out from under me. So I just hid from it."
Since
you have began your acting career, you have played
quite a few sinister characters. When you started
to act was that the kind of characters you wanted
to play?
- Of course not! I started out with the intentions
of being the leading guy, the one who gets the girl
and the money.
Do you feel you have been typecast at this
point?
- Absolutely! That’s exactly what happened
to me, no question about it.
Are you comfortable with that?
No, I’m fighting against it. I just happen
to have a sense of humor about it at this point.
I have to make a living, so I do it the best way
I can. I would rather be paid a lot more money and
get the girl.
I
would much rather be a fabulously wealthy actor.
But since I am not, the character parts are more
interesting, gives much more diversity. Villains
are great. If it wasn't for the devil, we wouldn't
be here, would we?
"I've
always been a character actor", and when asked
if he wouldn't prefer more mainstream roles
, he quipped "All those fans, all that money,
and all that success - who'd want that?!".
"I'm
a total whore," he happily admits. "Give
me a camera and a pay cheque and I'm there."
In
a certain sense I'm deeply religious. There is something
fundamentally spiritual about people, even atheists.
We relate to something larger than ourselves. Everybody
does in some way. People just express is differently.
it's in your concept of God, no matter what it is
-- even if you're an atheist, or reject the whole
idea of God. But it's somewhere in the struggle
around that idea that there's a lot of power in
people's behavior. There's a lot of energy. You
begin to see people really come alive.
I
don’t believe in evil.” “I just
don’t think that "evil" is (in the
sense of existing.) I think…that "evil"
is an invention that didn’t take place in
the human consciousness until about 2,000 B.C.,
and really came into its own around the time of
Christ. Before that…evil was not really a
concept. I mean, it was really invented around that
time. So I don’t agree with that kind of outlook.
It’s become a way that we can look at people
when we want to dehumanize them. It was not around
in primitive mythologies and primitive cultures.
They don’t know what evil is.”
So
how can one prepare for the challenge of playing
a character who is, by the commonly accepted definition,
“evil”?
Dourif
smiles again, shaking his head. “No, no, the
answer is I can’t portray someone as “evil”
because there’s no such thing. It doesn’t
exist. It’s just this concept and nobody knows
what it is. And "evil" is a judgment to
give us some comfort. It just means that you’re
not killing a person anymore; you can kill them
because they’re "evil". And that’s
all that means. Anybody can get to the point where
they’re not a person anymore and you have
no feeling about it, about them, and you can then
kill them. And, I mean, I can play that. You know,
if you want to pull a trigger on somebody and turn
them into a piece of meat, then you pull that trigger
and turn them into a piece of meat. And it’s
okay to pull a trigger on a piece of meat.”
Ironically, psychologists are nearly unanimous in
ascribing exactly that mindset to how serial killers
typically think of their victims.
Since
you don’t have the life experience of being
one of the devil’s minions or entering the
body of a dead person, how do you work yourself
into that emotional state?
BD:
Yeah, but I do have an incredibly violent heart,
and in that sense, I certainly am one of the devil’s
minions aren’t I? You know, the great thing
about being a villain, particularly in this culture,
is that we love our villains, we’re really
fascinated by evil. So, I mean, if you find all
the evil inside you and you’re willing to
express it, you can survive quite well in this business.
.
Every person in the world is a prisoner of their
own psychology, of their own law of movement. The
habitual kind of idea that you have, that you don’t
even think about. Eventually, it hems on you.
How
would he introduce himself? “Oh, Lord. I don’t
know. I’m shy in that kind of situation, so
I’d probably say ‘here’s some
stuff I did’ and don’t ask me what they
are, cause I’m terrible with memory. What
do I say? Hi, I’m Brad Dourif, I’m Chucky,
I mean, what do you say?” He laughs. “I
kill a lot of people?”